East-West Intergration.

[Sukio]

Since I am from the United States , I have heard about Combined Arms tactics. Which are very similar to those used by Nazi Germany in WW ll. But, i always ask myself , in the war against terror "TWAT". I have seen the usual go to war together. RAF, USAF, and other nations in the Coalition air forces.

But, I have always wondered, what if somewhere a rough faction somehow gained control of air forces , and threatened a Eastern or Western friendly faction.

Knowing full well the tension from the Cold War produced valuable military knowledge on both sides of the spectrum. What if they worked together?

Basically, Mikoyan , or Sukhoi fighter and attack aircraft working in concert with Western made aircraft, or Chinese made aircraft. I wonder in the effectiveness of having a multinational allied airforce with Russian Maneuverability and dogfighting capabilities, with U.S. or European stealth, and Avionics.

Having such a varied foe, would basically make them very difficult to stop. Having for F 16s, carry out a strike mission on a enemy Air Base, and have a E 3 Sentry Fly Electronic Counter Measure Support, escorted by Flankers, or Super Flankers, which meet up with the Strike Package mid mission. An enemy air force would be have every counter attack at a disadvantage.

Shooting at Fighting Falcons is bad enough, but then being jumped by Flankers?

Of course. Having aircraft that are designed to destroy each other, working in concert to accomplish an common objective is blasphemy right?.....

[zb10948]

I won't vote because i don't know the answer.

But, military is dictated by politics. And frankly, i don't see any near timeframe, where USAF and VVS would be fighting common foe. Yes, ultra-islamic terrorism like one in Afghanistan and Checnya is common enemy for the both sides, but you don't need an airforce to fight them. Modern, anti-terrorist units are the key.

And two big players don't have common foes. While USA would want Iran's regime dead, the Russia is quite friendy with Iran (on the economic side).

But yeah, if tommorow aliens land, or some "ultimate evil" regime arises, combinating USAF and VVS would be quite fearsome. Just imagine MiG-31BM and F-22A working together on interception / air superiority. MiGs flying mach 2.5 with radars powered on, in datalink mode, firing long-range missiles on anyone that comes near, while Raptors are completely silent, just coming in for the kill, ensuring the destruction of those that managed to evade Russian LRAAMS. Damn.

[Sukio]

Mig 31s, hitting from afar, until the bandits slip the net....

Then, those shadows come alive, and hit the survivors,....Jesus....

On the Human side, I think that even in small numbers, you could easily cause a airborne massacre.

Your right. The U.S. does use it's air forces against terrorist, but, usually as surveillance, and Intel operations. Which don't think for a Second that the Russia Federation does not have that capability. Look at Zond 1, and 2.

Anyways, I guess you have a point. Although the military side would be effective, the politicians, well, have other plans. This idea, at the moments, would work better with Paramilitary special forces, than air combat.

Since, the best way to counter a small , mobile terrorist groups effectively, and less damaging. Would be with counter terrorists. And, Guys like the USN Seals, and SAS, and GSG9, are well suited for that. Not 500 lbs. bombs.

But it would be are force to be reckoned with , I could promise that.

[zb10948]

Well, you see my point. It would be nice to combine the power of both schools, at least in some training stuff.

But the politics are diametral, and that's not likely to happen...

[Sukio]

Shame...

If only this world were closer together... Heck, if it was so, the Sukhoi and Lockheed, British Aerospace, and all the other big names in military aviation would be making more passenger, and utility and recreation aircraft.

Which, wouldn't be a bad thing either. War does not give, it only takes....

[zb10948]

Heh, my friend, the world is far from being utopistic Star Trek type.

Still, i believe, that one day, we're all going to forget our small differences, and see that we're all made from same flesh and blood, and we'll all work towards the same goal. Then i believe, it'll be like in Trek. But before that comes, it'll be like in Trek too...WW3 and annihilation of 50% of human kind.

Only then, we will see that war and warmonging politics are not the way...

[Sukio]

We need to ban together now, changes in weather, and evolving and resistant disease, coupled with overpopulation which will put people closer together amplifying that effect

And also, energy replacement issues. One world crisis at a time, and the current world may get through unmoved. But, if multiple problems arise , possibly in the new future.

Then all mankind will have to stop denying signs of possible danger and ban together now.

But, that does not pretain to this thread, and I have said to much. I won't push my opinion on anybody.

[exiled knight]

i don't know to vote.it's political problem.the war keep going to ensure the strongest get the best.Maybe syria and iran fall,U.S going to assault China or British,its only POLITICAL my friend..